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Camp Bonifas and Yorkshire Scouting: Citation Needed 5×04

Camp Bonifas and Yorkshire Scouting: Citation Needed 5×04


This is the Technical Difficulties, we’re
playing Citation Needed. Joining me today, he reads books you know,
it’s Chris Joel! Hello! Everybody’s favourite Gary Brannan,
Gary Brannan! Yes, I did order a Crunch Corner,
but not that crunchy. And the bounciest man on the internet,
Matt Gray! Izzy. Whizzy. Let’s get… busy! In front of me I’ve got an article from Wikipedia,
and these folks can’t see it. Every fact they get right is a point and a
ding [DING] and there’s a special prize for particularly
good answers, which is… And today we are talking about Camp Bonifas. Is that like a smiley Guantanamo? — Camp Bonny-face!
— Bonny-face. I mean… I mean, I’m giving you a vague point, because it’s a United Nations Command
military post. [DING] So it’s not the US, but it is ‘camp’ in the
sense of military post, so I will give you the point. Camp in what other sense?! Ooh! In the sense of a place you go
to camp with a tent! — What, you mean…
— “Look at his camp bonny face!” — Actually, given that ‘bona’ is actually Polari…
— Oh, it is! That’s not actually all that wrong. Yeah. Polari being the language of gay men
in the 1950s and 60s, descended from carnival speak. So, if you
hear Kenneth Williams — Julian and Sandy — you know, “vada your eek”
means “he’s got quite a nice face”. Stuff like that. It’s how gay men would talk
to each other, so that the police and other people couldn’t
hear them, ‘cos obviously homosexuality was entirely
illegal. Oh! And it’s a star as well, isn’t it? Polari… that’s Polaris. That’s something
else. That’s not quite… Actually, loads of Polari has made it into
regular English. Looking through… barney, having a barney,
having a fight with someone, is in there. What else have we got in there? To zhoozh up, a zhoozhing bag, is to do your hair
and have a handbag, or something like that. — And naff.
— Naff! As terrible. Basically, as with so many things, the rest
of Britain just went: “we’ll have some of that”. Bringing this all back: Camp Bonny-face… Derailed that one! …does not… and it’s Bonifas! … does
not mean just someone with a nice face, sadly. Why is it, when you say
“United Nations Command Centre”, I immediately think “damn, that’s exciting!” It’d just be lots of… That’s because you grew up on Gerry Anderson
and Thunderbirds! Anything! United Nations Command Centre!
Nah, it’s lots of dull men looking at laptops. — It’s four men with laptops in a hotel room.
— Yeah. We’re not in a hotel room here.
Definitely not in a hotel room. — It’s an actual camp.
— Is it an actual camp? It’s an actual camp, in the sense of military
encampment. — Europe?
— Oh, definitely not. — America?
— Also no. — Middle East!
— No, you’re all wrong… — Something Spanish-y!
— United Nations. — Arctic! Antarctic!
— No… So not something Spanish-ish? No. You’ve listed most of the
regions of the world, I think you’ve missed
three continents so far… — Africa!
— Two continents remaining. — Australia!
— One continent remaining. — Asia!
— There we go! [DING] Literally the last continent to be named. It’s not ‘cos we didn’t like you, we’re just
saving you for last. That’s a terrible chat-up line, Gary. Worked for me(!) Do you want that on the
cutting room floor or not? It reflects worse on me than… So where is there going to be a United Nations
Command Post in Asia? — Is it Korea?
— Yes! [DING] You’re absolutely right. And I’m going to ask a loaded question here,
so have a point, Which one? The bottom one! Can I say neither? Gary gets the point there. [DING] Is it the one that’s on the border? Yes it is! Well, it was. It’s now become various
other things, but yes, this was the United Nations Command
military post 400 metres south of the southern boundary
of the Korean DMZ. Right. ‘Cos that’s the one where you have
North Korean soldiers on one side of the room staring at South Korean soldiers on the other
side of the room — and they never communicate.
— And never the twain shall meet. Are they being that person in the fight going
“ey! ey!” and holding the other two back? Essentially, yes. That was part of their job. It was returned to being Korean territory in 2006, but yes, this was for many, many years the
home to the batallion who oversaw the armistice agreement. So what can you find there?
What could you find there? Portakabins, wasn’t it? It was just like school
classrooms that were effectively — that was the channel you would go through
for whatever immigration was. Yeah, I’ll give you a point. [DING] Small
collection of buildings, surrounded by triple coils of razor wire. Oh, that’s not good. “It would look like a big Boy Scout camp if
it wasn’t for…” — Goofball surgeons!
— The guns! — All the Korean men with guns!
— The bibimbap! — All the land mines.
— Point! [DING] If it wasn’t for the land mines
that surrounded it, yes. Can I just point out: must’ve not been on
a Yorkshire Scout camp. Were you a Scout? Yes I was a Scout! I was a Beaver, I was a
Cub, I was a Scout. And I was in the St John’s Ambulance as well.
Yeah. I did most of the full thing, apart from becoming
a Venture Scout. Did you hurt yourself? Is that how you got
in the Ambulance? No, no! My Scout troop
had so few Scouts in it after spending weeks where we
built an Airfix kit, shelled a crab… What, artillery shelled a crab? Yeah, there’s just one crab
in the middle of… “Bollocks to that!” It was a lad called John Crabbe, actually. We built a small balloon as well one night
out of tissue paper, with a little basket underneath with paraffin, that raced to the roof
and then it set on fire. And that’s how I learned how to use a CO2
fire extinguisher! You see, that’s a useful skill! I think I learned more off that than tying
f***ing knots, I’m going to be honest with you! And then one night we tried cooking on a cooker, one of those little paraffin cookers, and it just leaked everywhere and set the
place on fire. — Again!
— There’s a pattern here. Shut down shortly afterwards, what can I say? And you were a Scout, weren’t you? I was a Scout, your Scouts were s***. — You were a proper Scout.
— I was, yeah. We used to go and build zip lines in the woods and go off camping on our own. Yeah, maybe so, but did you ever win
the Scout Eurovision? No, thank god, we never entered! Basically, adorable kids singing adorable
songs in adorable costumes. I did… You had a very different Scouting experience! Well, we went Scouting instead! Yeah, we didn’t. See, you did things with
wood and axes… Wood and mountains and axes and fires! I sang the solo in “My Mummy Is One In A Million”. Actually, to be fair, by the time I actually
got to Scouts the first two years were spent fighting. Literally, two hours a week, go down, have a rumble,
then eventually we changed leaders! We did so some… we did do that one where
you fill a boxing glove with sand, tie it to a rope, and spin it round, you’ve
got to jump over it. “That one”! D’you ever play Barrels? I don’t… which one’s Barrels? Barrels is three water barrels in the middle
of a room… Oh f***. Full, if you’re feeling particularly vindictive, then the whole troop joins together in a circle.
Give us your arm. — This one or that one?
— Like that. — Like that.
— Yeah. — And then you run in a circle…
— Oh god. And if you let go, or if you hit the barrels,
you’re out. Naturally, this eventually leads to some of
the 11-year-olds being put between two 16-year-olds and smashed
into the barrels! Although, I’ve said the boxing glove one,
I’ve just remembered now, one week we did replace
the boxing glove with an axe. Nice! That’s more the level we’re at! That’s more your level of Scouting. I will make the point: South Yorkshire Scouts,
West Yorkshire Scouts. Whereas I had a Commodore 64. Yeah, I did not do any… I thought you were going to say you were in
the Navy! “Whereas I was in the Navy!” “Where I had a Commodore!” — So yes.
— What were we talking about? Camp Bonifas! Which would look like a big
Boy Scout camp… Would look like a South Yorkshire
Boy Scout camp… Actually, yeah, we did use to have a load
of old ammunition tins. Some of ’em still with ammunition in, but… So there was one other thing you’d find there. The kind of thing you would find if you had,
say, some bored commanders who were all used to doing a certain thing
with each other. Pornography. No. A steam room! Oh, definitely not. Battleships! The board game. It’s certainly a game. Actual battleships! Not in the DMZ?
It’s a little bit to the side there. Golf! Point. [DING] What was called “the most dangerous
hole in golf”, a 3-par, one-hole golf course. It’s got an astroturf green… …and land mines! And surrounded on
three sides by minefields, yes! “Mulligan!” “No mulligans in this game, go
out and get it!” “There’s the map, good luck!” Allegedly one tee shot did actually set off
a land mine. Oh, brilliant! “It’s in the rough!” Yeah, you would actually
enjoy that, wouldn’t you? That’d be such a great stress relief. Well, it’s a tee shot, it’s got a bit of distance
on it, it’s fine! If you’re, like, what, three par? So there’s
a good walk there for a start. That land mine going off in the distance’ll
look f***ing brilliant! You just get a low golf clap from the distance. Oh, now that’s definitely not what happened
at one point. Because the name of Camp Bonifas, it was originally
Camp Kitty Hawk. What happened… I mean, the name of it kind
of gives it away, this is the Axe Murder incident. Now obviously… What happened? I’m not giving you a point for successfully
guessing that there was an axe murder. But what happened in the DMZ? Did someone wander into the DMZ by accident? — Not by accident.
— On purpose? You wouldn’t need the axes, would you, ‘cos
you’ve got land mines for that business. Did the person that was wandering
have the axe? They had an axe. Why would you go into the
DMZ with an axe? — Cut a tree down!
— Point! [DING] Absolutely right. — Some of the southern side…
— This is starting to ring a bell now. Can’t think why, but it is. Some folks from the southern side went in
to cut down a poplar tree that was blocking the UN observers. The North Koreans promptly arrived with axes
of their own and the tree was not being chopped down any
more, and… One of the people killed was called Bonifas, that’s where the name of the camp came from. Three days later, American – South Korean
forces, they launched an operation to cut down the
tree with a show of force. What did they call that operation? Name… Thor! Legendary American who cut down trees. Washing…ton…? No… oh, that’s chopping down cherry trees. Is it the person with the stupid hat? — Davy Crockett?
— No, he planted trees! That was Johnny Appleseed! We’ve named every tree-related American here
and we haven’t quite worked…. Americans in the comments will be screaming
at you at this point! We don’t know! We’re not from there! Famous giant lumberjack, American folklore… Paul Bunyan. — Never heard that.
— Never heard of it! — Never heard those words before.
— Wow, okay! I’ve heard the word Paul, and I’ve heard the
word “bunion”, but I’ve never used… — Only in the sense of something on your foot!
— Yeah! Americans, we don’t know about Paul Bunyan, in the same way that you don’t know about
Michael Barrymore. All right? That’s not really the same way, I’ll be honest. Different order of magnitude there. Different order of magnitude. — More Finn McCool.
— Oh, yes! Yes, we’ve talked about that before. More Finn McCool. Yeah, okay. Actually, that’s a really good… Michael
Barrymore is not… I think you’ll find he was a giant of light
entertainment, though. What, Finn McCool?! Yeah! Saturday nights. “Appearing up on the rocks tonight!” So what is at the DMZ now? A tree with a hole in the bottom of it! The tree is gone. The tree is gone. At least they won their cause(!) Yeah, they did!
And North Korea accepted that, yes, “yes, okay, we probably shouldn’t
have done that, “yes, you’ve just sent in a lot of soldiers
to chop down that tree, “haven’t you? Okay, yes.” “Have the tree! Have several!” I don’t… a plaque or something like that? Tourists! Point. [DING] That’s the bit you can
go and visit, isn’t it? You can actually go in a bit further now, if you actually get permission to go in, you can get to the crossing point, you can technically enter North Korea briefly. There are even tour companies that do things, but you have to pay a
naughty government some money. Yes, it is possible to get to the DMZ if you’re
a tourist with a lot of permissions and a lot of papers
signed now. Which is closer than Camp Bonifas ever was. The camp itself has been handed back to Korea. But they have the Korean version of
Buckingham Palace guards! — Yes they do.
— They’re just two men standing there, one of whom’s fine with you being there, the other who deletes the photos off your
camera. — One tells the truth, and one always lies.
— I was going to say! And one shoots people who ask awkward questions. Why don’t more borders work like that? In the “one tells the truth,
the other only lies” fashion? Because everybody’s seen Labyrinth! It’d be pointless! Everybody knows the answer! But that’s fine! That’s a lovely system to
filter who comes in and out of your country! If you’ve seen David Bowie’s bulge you’re
allowed in. I knew it! I knew we were headed for David
Bowie’s bulge. It had to happen, didn’t it? I’m going to say this: you deserve it, if
you’ve sat through that. Like the time I discovered the zoom function
on my DVD player while my wife was out of the room. And the loop feature as well. So when she came back in, there was a zoomed-in,
looped version of David B– the late David Bowie’s–
cock and balls dancing all over the telly. Not the cock and balls! Just the crotch! — Different video!
— Well, no, this is the scene where he’s not got the cup on. There’s a point where they got him the codpiece and there are scenes they shot beforehand
where they went “oh boy, you can see the whole lot there”. “You know, it’s like a party down there.” “It’s like several puppies in a paper bag.” It’s during the Magic Dance sequence, where he’s dancing from side to side, going ‘Dance, magic dance’, that bit. That’s the bit he doesn’t
have the Crotchulator on… The Crotchulator! Worst gym machine ever. “Crotch you now… crotch you later!” It’s like a helicopter sideways on. That’s a plane, Gary. At the end of the show, congratulations Gary,
you win this one! Congraulations, you win a circular muscle
with the head of man and the body of a lion. Oh no… It’s this sphinxter. Urgh! Urgh! — Worst superhero ever.
— Where’s… So with that we say thank you to Chris Joel! Where does the muscle go
between the other parts? To Gary Brannan! To Matt Gray! Clenching. I’ve been Tom Scott, we’ll see you next time. It’s just going to go… “Why is the lion walking like that?!” [Translating these subtitles? Add your name
here!]

100 thoughts on “Camp Bonifas and Yorkshire Scouting: Citation Needed 5×04”

  1. North Koreans and South Koreans on opposite sides of a room, and never the twain shall meet? Soo… Unseelie and Seelie Fae at the Crossing, never talking to each other because different Fae?

  2. "You've sent in a lot of soldiers to chop down that tree…" and stood-to the air defense forces, plus the couple of carrier battle groups sent to red alert. Operation Paul Bunyan was not ****ing around.

  3. It's a shame they don't get into the details on OP Paul Bunyan. From WIKI:

    "Altogether, Task Force Vierra consisted of 813 men: almost all of the men of the United States Army Support Group, of which the Joint Security Force was a part; a South Korean reconnaissance company; a South Korean Special Forces company which had infiltrated the river area by the bridge the night before; and members of a reinforced composite rifle company from the 9th Infantry Regiment. "

    Task Force Vierra was only the ground component. This was to chop down a tree.

  4. There was definitely some sort of reference in the clapping at 7:30 but I have no idea. Edit: I've now seen that music video, I'm good.

  5. This New Year, I went to the DMZ from the DPRK side, and then five days later, from the South Korea side. Fascinatingly, I was told the same story of the poplar tree from both sides.
    From DPRK: without permission, US and RoK soldiers started chopping down a tree. DPRK soldiers approached and, unprovoked, Bonifas threw his axe at them. One soldier caught the axe and threw it back, killing Bonifas. This sparked off a four minute fight, lots injured and one more killed.
    From South Korea: US and RoK soldiers were chopping down the tree, when suddenly 34 DPRK soldiers came out of nowhere and started fighting, using axes. Bonifas was killed, and so was one more – a soldier (I forget his name) who had jumped out of the way into a trench and broke both of his legs, rendering him a helpless target. DPRK soldiers took advantage, and one could see soldier after soldier going into the trench, and coming out covered in American blood, after butchering him.

    These two stories were told unprompted. Both sides believe their story and want visitors to know about it. Personally, I don't 100% believe either side. My visit made me realise that "propaganda" isn't an idea saved for the North Koreas of the world… 'western societies' have it too… we in the U.K. have it too, we just don't call it that. There is propaganda everywhere, and it's up to a citizen to work out a sort-of-truth in between the, in this case, two opposing stories.

  6. If only they looked deeper into operation Paul Bunyan, there was a unit of elite south Koreans that used exclusively martial arts, and US special forces with claymore mines strapped to their chests yelling provocations at the north Koreans

  7. I'm an American and I have no freaking clue who you are talking about. Edit: Like 2 seconds after posting this I realized it was Paul Bunyan.

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  9. Apparently, Jeff Bridges, when filming the original Tron, had to have a crotch stand-in, due to his distractingly large bulge.

  10. If I’m being honest I’m an American and I don’t even know who Paul bunion is if you doubt I’m an American just google KM4NSL and choose the top link that isn’t an ad

  11. I’m a West Yorkshire scout. We called barrels ‘poison ivy’ and one of the scouts broke his arm playing it. This eventually lead to a replacement leader and subsequent banning of it and the boxing glove sand game and some others.

  12. Interestingly, the Korean soldiers don't stare eachother down at the border, the South Korean soldiers look at North Korea and the North Korean ones look at eachother

    Also, very British, and very much shouting PAUL BUNYAN at the screen 😂😂😂

  13. After hearing Matt say "bibbim bap" I want to go to Korean Barbecue with him just to listen to him order

  14. Pauuuuuul Bunyan's, where the food is good (but not too good, eh?)

    (PHINEAS AND FERB, HAHA! I had a good childhood show)

  15. What the heck was that synchronised clapping at the end of the Scouting reminiscences? It sounds oddly familiar.
    Edit: OK, allegedly Village People, which makes sense on rewinding as it comes shortly after "I was in the Navy"… can any Techdif member confirm or deny?

  16. Paul Bunyan is also an Operetta written by Benjamin Britten, based on the American folklore. I can't remember how accurate it was though.

  17. The West Yorkshire scouts' fire record is presumably why I once saw my local scout troop in East Yorkshire being trained to use fire extinguishers.

  18. I know all about Setanta and the Giant's Causeway and the Cattle Raid of Cooley and the Gae Bolg and the dog of Ulster, and you haven't heard once about Paul Bunyan?

  19. Loved Gary's anecdote about discovering the zoom and loop functions of his DVD player – he's exactly the same on and off camera xD

  20. I’m born raised and living in Canada and have never heard of Paul bunion, and Tom expects three people from flipping Yorkshire to know about him? What are you thinking Tom?

  21. To be honest, the one always tells the truth the other always lies thing is so culturally ingrained that even those who haven't seen labyrinth know the answer. Still it's a nice idea.

  22. I wonder how many people paused this to go re-watch the dance magic dance video clip. (At least one). And, oh boy. You do get a very good view at the 'several puppies in a paper bag'. How I haven't noticed that before I have no clue.

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